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jobs in this environment. >> moderator: back to the taxes thing for a moment. romney: okay. >> moderator: mr. president? obama: we've had this discussion before. >> moderator: the idea that in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. obama: now, governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. romney: absolutely. look, the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and how we balance the budget, but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain, spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >> moderator: okay. romney: we're now spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path of spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money in because they're working. >> moderator: but, mr. president, you're saying in other words -- in order to get the job done, it's got to be balanced. obama: if we're serious, w
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